Dore Talk

Can someone please give me advice as to what program would benefit me more ..... To be honest i would really struggle paying for the dore program wheres the learning breakthrough programs so much cheaper .... But you don't get monitored or any phone support.....

Also dore base their exercises on the learningbreakthrough program which started in the 1960's..... I'm just trying to weigh up the positive and negatives of both programs as they're the only two that exist......  

"Also dore base their exercises on the learningbreakthrough program which started in the 1960's..... I'm just trying to weigh up the positive and negatives of both programs as they're the only two that exist......"  

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Im having a hard time working your posts out mark...cant decide if you are for real, if you really want info on Dore or are trying to promote LB?

they arnt the only two programmes that exist...what about Brain gym? and many others?.....Im sure youve been on this site long enough to have read the positives and negatives of Dore....perhaps you should find an LB forum site if you want more +/- on that programme.....??? would seem the best way...I guess the clues would be in the name of the forum ie DORE talk......

Just a thought....still think its a little dodgy meself.....

I am genuine i just can't decide which one would be more benficial..... Plus the price is outragiously high compared to the LB program

I think you get what you pay for.( A Bicycle and a Rolls Royce will both get you from A to B eventually but  the Rolls will get you there a lot quicker and has much better after sales service.) I'm sure learning breakthrough has it's place but it isn't the same as Dore. With Dore you get assessed every 6 weeks and given a new book of exercises that are tailored to your individual needs. Considering the amount of time and support given at the Dore centres, I think the price is very reasonable. Only you can decide what's best for you Mark but from my experience of Dore, if it cost 5 times as much, I would find the money from somewhere. 

I am genuine i just can't decide which one would be more benficial..... Plus the price is outragiously high compared to the LB program

I DONT BELIEVE YOU.

The price is a small % of what you would pay if you went to a private therapist.... you either do it or you dont look at the other options...you must be doing something right though...your posts have gone from being extremely dyslexic..to good grammar and spelling...

the price is a small price to pay, i know people who have shoes that cost more than the DORE programme.... 

Debbie - what a perfect way to describe the Programme. Money well spent in my opinion. I have a happy, well adjusted little boy, and we still have a way to go.

Why cant anyone here be diplomatic .... your all understandably bias towards dore because you have enrolled your children on it ......

 Im looking for someone who can take a step back ''from the fabulous dore program'' and just give me some sound advice .....

Plus it says on the LB program that the exercises are basic brain training and that no individualised exercises are needed because these 5 main exercises that work on the cerrobellum ..... Dore says their personalised but the DOCTOR WHO INVENTED THEM SAYS  

Dr. Belgau, the creator of the Learning Breakthrough Program, has often been asked questions such as “my child has AD/HD or Dyslexia or another specific condition, which exercises should be used?” His answer has always been that it is through the repetition of the complete range of LBP exercises that stimulation of vital neural pathways is maximized and that this is how brain processing improvement occurs. We know the sequence, position, posture, number of repetitions and specific activity designs themselves cause positive changes in the brain. This is not to say that other sequencing and sensory-motor activities will not work. We know from decades of use that the precision of the equipment and the activities in the Learning Breakthrough Program produce powerful changes in areas of cognitive, physical and attention performance and ability.

We believe that if one performs the Dore Programme exercises every day, at home, for 12 to 15 months they will, in all likelihood, experience positive changes. Our confidence comes from the fact that the Dore Program was developed based on the principles behind the Learning Breakthrough Program.

I REST MY CASE

THAT WAS MY DIPLOMATIC ANSWER.....

I think if you look on here you will see many people who have struggled with the length and routine of the exercises so no one is saying Dore is 'perfect'..although yes I do believe its 'quite fabulous'......and as I diplomatically pointed out in an earlier post you are on a DORE SITE so of course you arnt going to hear people signing the praises of LB because they are doing the DORE programme....go figure huh?

Now on one hand you want to hear about and on the other you Pm me and tell me  that becauseI say dore worked for us I sound like a promoter!! I cant win then can I???

Mark sounds like you have your choice good luck with it.

I would just add, with LB you don't have the support or the confirmation that you

A) have a program that is likely to help as there are no initial tests, perhaps your balance is perfect? If you now some one with a WII fit, that intermintently tests balance standing still with and without eyes shut!! Keep repeating the body test Not quite the same as a moving floor underneath you as Dore measures.

B) have  the tests that show you that you are progressing or not, so you cannot specifically work on that particular area that is poor e.g visual, somatosensory or vestibular.

C) 18 months to 2 years is a long time I'm very glad I have somebody looking over my shoulder and directing me to do this this and this, and somebody very encouraging to  visit every 6 weeks.

D) there is end criteria that you have to meet which are measurable, when do you stop with LB, I felt that we would not get much more a few months back - how wrong was I? I could have stopped on LB.

Saying that there are good results seen by LB and it is probably a very good stand alone program which is most defintley better than nothing and probably much better than what our NHS OT's give us.

You do get what you pay for, LB is excellent value for what it is, so is Dore. I chose Dore out of the 2 for the help and monitoring they supply, yes I paid extra for that, something has to pay their salaries. But it's

- My choice.

Good Luck again with your choice, join in the ADDforum thread on LB they'll help you through.

Mark, you asked for advice because you couldn't make up your mind but you don't seem to like being told how wonderful Dore is. You suddenly seem to have become an expert on the subject. I believe it does make a difference to be assessed and have the exercises changed every 6 weeks as it is working on each persons individual problem and seeing the results every 6 weeks gives us the incentive to carry on. The Dore programme is not compulsory so if you would prefer not to do it then good luck with learning breakthrough but please don't criticise those of us who have chosen Dore. This site is for us to support each other, not to have to justify our decision to you or anyone else. 

THANK YOU LELLY THATS THE KIND OF ANSWERS IM LOOKING FOR ...... LELLY THAT WAS A BIG HELP

ONE LAST QUESTION - IF YOU STOP EXERCISES BEFORE YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR POTENTIAL CAN YOU REGRESS BACK TO HOW YOU WERE????

AGAIN THANKS LELLY XX 

Debbie and Lelly thanks !!!!

All i want are you opinions - I JUST WANT TO START THE BEST PROGRAM

IM NOT KNOCKING ANY - JUST OPINIONS I WANT 

Sorry Mark I can't fully answer that, but those people stop before the end, perhaps they move back slightly  or perhaps they don't get all they can from the program.I can see if we had pulled out perhaps we would have not seen the later prgress but some say progress continues after finishing (that's after full course).

Agian if you stop when the eyes are not quite within finishing criteria they will not get there on their own, of if balance asesss are still red you haven't reached full maturity of the 3 different senses (visual somatosensory or vestibular) and stopping at that point could be followed by regression. Perhaps playing sports would get those senses tuned if you continue but at a very slow rare. I don't think anyone has those answers yet.

Lots of unanswered questions there i know, but this theory has alot of questions still to be researched. It's a big decision, I'm not easily parted with £2000.

Right off to the garden with a cuppa!!

Hi Mark in answer to your question about reverting back if you stop the exercises the answer is yes it would be the same for Dore or LB. If those neuro pathways have not been built then the gains you would have been showing would begin to dip back to their original state.

It would be sad for anyone doing either of the treatments to stop before they have completed the course with having to pay for the treatment in the first place. You are completely on your own with LB and like anything can be monotonous over a period of time, Dore with all the assessments and input from their staff throughout the treatment  helps to keep you motivated and on task. You know where you are going and how far you have progressed throughout the treatment.

I have the LB kit which I brought last year and used it for about 3 days but it is under my bed now. For me it is the fact that I have already seen what Dore can do with Leila and seeing how well Kieran is doing now has just reiterated that it is the only way I want to go for myself.

LB do have a forum Mark and if you have the determination and will power to go it alone, then go for it. It is what you feel yourself about both treatments, if you read the LB forum you will see that there are those that are seeing significant changes. For me the Dore programme is not expensive when you see your child finally happy and leading a normal life, Which is why I was willing to pay the price all over agin for her brother. Ellie XXX

Thanks for your postings..... Missellie are you really saying that you have the LB kit at home but gave up? Why did you give up?  Please explain in detail what happened?  

I know there are a lot of unanswered questions .... i just wish i knew the best route to take .....  I agree with you both, i don't like the fact about being alone ....  Thanks everyone i just wish dore was a little bit more affordable